A prior blog described a Yale PhD student writing his thesis on Mr. Haney. Here, the saga continues in Part 2, focused on Mr Haney.
Part 1:
https://bqwebpage.blogspot.com/2023/05/gpt4-on-mr-haney-from-green-acres.html
Part 3: (Script)
https://bqwebpage.blogspot.com/2023/05/part-3-mr-haney-script-studies-of-prof.html
And now: Part 2 !
Imagine that actor Pat Buttram and the director developed an elaborate back story for Mr haney, to help enrich and deeply the actor’s portrayal. What might this back story have been?
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Creating a rich backstory for a character can indeed provide depth and nuance to their portrayal. Here's a possible backstory for Mr. Haney:
Mr. Haney, born as Eustace Charleton Haney, was the fourth of seven children in a lower-middle-class family from the deep rural South. His parents were hard-working farmers, instilling in him from an early age a shrewd, pragmatic, and entrepreneurial spirit. His father was a gifted storyteller and barterer, skills which young Eustace picked up eagerly. The elder Haney was known for his tall tales and exaggerated narratives, which captured the imagination of his young son.
As a child, Eustace was not particularly inclined towards academics but demonstrated a knack for buying, selling, and trading odds and ends with remarkable skill. It became evident early on that he had a quick mind for deals and a natural charm that made people both like and trust him.
However, his early life was marked by scarcity and hardship, causing him to develop a somewhat skewed sense of ethics when it came to business deals. He became well-versed in the art of the sell, often resorting to exaggerated claims and cunning tactics to make ends meet.
In his late teens, an opportunity presented itself in the form of a traveling salesman job, and Eustace took it without hesitation. He traveled far and wide, learning about the diversity of life and honing his salesmanship. The job fed his natural aptitude for storytelling and his knack for driving hard bargains.
After years on the road, he returned to his roots, buying an old truck and starting his own odd-jobs and goods business, becoming the character we know as Mr. Haney in "Green Acres".
This backstory lends a certain depth to Mr. Haney's character. His skills and behaviors are the result of his upbringing and life experiences, providing a foundation that justifies his trickster personality. Understanding this backstory could enable a more nuanced portrayal of the character, emphasizing the survival instinct, the cunning intelligence, and the charm that defines Mr. Haney.
Relationships with women?
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Expanding on the backstory, let's delve into Mr. Haney's relationships with women.
Eustace Charleton Haney was quite the charmer in his youth, with his quick wit and entertaining storytelling captivating the attention of many young women in his small hometown. However, his penchant for tall tales and his prioritization of business often resulted in fleeting relationships, as he was more inclined to focus on his work than on maintaining long-term romantic partnerships.
During his traveling salesman years, Eustace had numerous relationships, all relatively brief and marked by the transient nature of his job. These experiences further solidified his perception of relationships as temporary, reinforcing his focus on business pursuits.
Upon his return home and the start of his own business, Mr. Haney had a brief marriage that ended in divorce. This was due in part to his inability to separate his business persona from his personal life, often treating his home life like another business negotiation. His ex-wife, a strong and pragmatic woman, eventually grew tired of his relentless salesmanship and propensity for exaggeration, leading to their separation.
After the divorce, Mr. Haney remained single, dedicating himself wholly to his business. His interactions with women largely remained in the business realm, with him approaching every encounter as a potential deal to be negotiated. Despite this, there was a certain charm and warmth to his character, and he maintained a friendly, if somewhat eccentric, reputation among the women in Hooterville.
His interactions with women on "Green Acres", particularly Lisa Douglas, often reflect these experiences. He treats these encounters with his usual business-like approach, always trying to sell something, while his quick wit and rural charm offer comedic and sometimes endearing moments.
However, underneath his salesman exterior, there's a glimpse of a man yearning for a connection that he's unable to foster due to his commitment to his salesman persona. This gives a certain depth and complexity to Mr. Haney's character, making him more than just a comic figure.
Perhaps he was insecure about his pudgy bod, flopped at athletics, and thought himself homely.
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Certainly, these insecurities could further add complexity to Mr. Haney's character. Let's add this to his backstory:
In his younger years, Eustace Haney was somewhat pudgy, a trait that often made him the butt of jokes among his siblings and peers. He was never athletically inclined, a fact that further set him apart in a community where physical labor and prowess were highly valued.
Moreover, Eustace considered himself homely compared to his peers. His self-perceived lack of physical attractiveness and his struggle with body image fed his insecurities and shaped his personality in significant ways.
These insecurities played a crucial role in the development of his knack for storytelling and salesmanship. In his mind, what he lacked in physical attributes, he made up for with his wit and charm. His tales and sales pitches became a form of performance, a way to divert attention from his physical appearance and earn the admiration and validation he sought.
Furthermore, his self-consciousness about his physique made him more empathetic towards people who were marginalized or underestimated, often resulting in unexpected friendships and alliances.
These insecurities also influenced his relationships with women. Feeling unattractive, he used his storytelling and salesmanship to captivate attention and woo potential partners, compensating for what he perceived as his physical shortcomings.
As Mr. Haney, these insecurities subtly color his interactions and motivations, adding another layer to his character's depth. They make him more relatable and human, despite his trickster persona. It's this underlying vulnerability that makes Mr. Haney a fascinating character to explore.
It seems that the modern Haney we see is self actualized or aligned with himself.
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Yes, you're correct. Despite his backstory and personal insecurities, the Mr. Haney we see on "Green Acres" indeed appears to be self-actualized in many ways. This means that he has recognized and embraced his strengths and weaknesses, using them to live a life that feels authentic to him. He does not shy away from his nature as a shrewd salesman and trickster, instead fully incorporating it into his identity.
Mr. Haney might not fit the conventional definition of success or attractiveness, but he has found his niche and operates within it with confidence and skill. His entrepreneurial spirit, charm, and knack for storytelling have become his trademark characteristics, overshadowing any physical or societal standards that he might not conform to.
His interactions with others on the show are marked by his authentic self-expression. He doesn't attempt to fit into molds that aren't suited to him, but rather, he interacts with the world on his own terms. This authenticity can be seen as a form of self-actualization, as he has found a way of being that feels true to who he is.
Furthermore, even if he sometimes toes the line of ethics with his business practices, he never strays too far from a certain code of conduct, showing that he possesses a moral compass that keeps his trickster tendencies in check.
This self-actualization makes Mr. Haney a compelling character to watch. While he can be seen as a figure of comedy, there's a deeper sense of self-understanding and authenticity that underlies his actions, making him not only amusing but also relatable in a very human way.
He seems not have not a bit of self doubt.
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You're right. One of the defining traits of Mr. Haney's character in "Green Acres" is his unwavering confidence. He appears to lack self-doubt, approaching every situation with a certain aplomb and a seemingly unshakeable belief in his abilities.
This trait is particularly evident in his role as a salesman. Regardless of what he's selling or who he's dealing with, Mr. Haney always seems to believe that he can close the deal. He is highly persuasive and unflinching in his sales pitches, even when it's clear to everyone else that his claims are exaggerated or outright false.
While some of this could be attributed to his trickster persona, it also speaks to a deeper sense of self-assuredness. Despite his insecurities in his backstory, the adult Mr. Haney has grown into a man who seems at ease with himself and his place in the world.
This lack of self-doubt can be seen as a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it contributes to his success as a salesman and enables him to navigate the world with confidence. On the other hand, it sometimes blinds him to the realities of his situations, leading to comedic missteps and blunders.
But in a way, this is part of what makes Mr. Haney such an engaging character. His confidence, bordering on obliviousness, results in humorous scenarios that entertain viewers while also shedding light on his character's unique worldview.
Oliver as an attorney is a master of language skills and debate, yet meets his match (of more) in the unprepossessing Haney. Does Haney also, act dumb as a ploy.
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Mr. Haney's unique use of language and negotiation strategies indeed make him a formidable opponent for Oliver, despite Oliver's formal education and training as a lawyer. On the surface, Mr. Haney may seem uneducated or even naive, but his success in his dealings suggests a cleverness and understanding of human nature that rivals Oliver's legal acumen.
Mr. Haney often uses a technique known as "strategic incompetence," or purposefully appearing less capable or knowledgeable than he actually is, to lower others' expectations and give himself an advantage in negotiations. By acting less sophisticated, he puts others off guard, making them underestimate his abilities.
In his interactions with Oliver, Haney consistently manages to befuddle him with his seemingly nonsensical logic and unique interpretations of language. He sidesteps Oliver's legal arguments and rebuttals with folksy anecdotes and roundabout explanations, turning the conversation in circles until Oliver is left confused and frustrated.
So, while Mr. Haney may come across as "dumb," this is likely part of his strategy. He knows exactly what he's doing and uses this tactic to his advantage. His behavior acts as a smokescreen that obscures his cunning and skill, allowing him to often come out on top in his dealings with Oliver and others.
In conclusion, Mr. Haney's seemingly naive demeanor is a strategic maneuver that enables him to negotiate effectively, often outmaneuvering those who underestimate him, including the highly educated Oliver. This highlights the complexity of his character and the skill behind his salesmanship.
Are there some real world politicians or businessmen, or fictional characters of note, who used strategic incompetence?
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Yes, the tactic of "strategic incompetence" is not only used in fiction but also exists in real life, often observed in the world of politics, business, and even in day-to-day life. Here are a few notable examples:
Franklin D. Roosevelt: Roosevelt often played coy or acted uninformed during negotiations to make others underestimate him, only to turn the tables at the last minute with a deep understanding of the issue at hand.
Warren Buffet: Known for his humble and folksy demeanor, Buffet often underplays his sharp intellect and business acumen. His unassuming persona has played a part in making him one of the most successful investors in the world.
Mark Zuckerberg: Early in his career, the Facebook co-founder often portrayed himself as a naive college student, which some argue allowed him to avoid the scrutiny that a more traditional CEO might face.
Sir Humphrey Appleby from "Yes Minister": The character often uses convoluted language and feigns ignorance to manipulate situations in his favor and maintain control over the Minister.
Columbo from "Columbo": The titular character of this TV show is a detective who often appears disorganized and forgetful, leading suspects to underestimate him. In reality, this is a tactic to lull them into a false sense of security, and he's extremely observant and sharp-minded.
Sergeant Schultz from "Hogan's Heroes": Schultz often turns a blind eye to the actions of the POWs or pretends not to understand their schemes, thus maintaining a delicate balance that ultimately keeps him out of trouble.
Remember, while strategic incompetence can be a powerful tactic when used correctly, it's also important to use it ethically and responsibly. In the end, genuine competence and honesty are often the best policies for sustainable success.
Colombo is the example without peer. Can you compare strategic incompetence as used by Colombo and Haney. Similarities & differences.
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Indeed, both Columbo and Mr. Haney are classic examples of characters who use strategic incompetence to their advantage, although their methods and objectives differ significantly.
Similarities:
Feigned Ignorance: Both characters frequently use feigned ignorance as a tool. Columbo often pretends to be more confused than he is to lull suspects into a false sense of security. Haney uses a similar tactic to misdirect or confuse his customers, making it more difficult for them to reject his sales pitches.
Underestimation: Their feigned incompetence leads others to underestimate them, which is precisely what both characters want. Columbo's suspects think they can easily fool him, while Haney's customers believe they can outsmart him or spot his sometimes dubious claims.
Manipulation: Both Columbo and Haney expertly manipulate conversations. Columbo with his "just one more thing" approach, creating the impression that he has randomly thought of a question, when in fact it's a calculated move to gain more information. Haney also manipulates conversations, steering them in directions that advantage his sales tactics.
Differences:
Objective: The most significant difference lies in their objectives. Columbo is a detective trying to solve murders. His use of strategic incompetence is a means to get suspects to let their guard down and reveal information they otherwise wouldn't. Haney, on the other hand, is a businessman trying to make a sale. His strategic incompetence is primarily used to close deals and make a profit.
Ethics: While both use strategic incompetence, Columbo uses this tactic for a good cause, to bring criminals to justice, which audiences can morally align with. Haney's use of the tactic, however, often walks a gray area of ethics as he uses it to sell products, sometimes using less than honest methods.
Persona: Columbo is genuinely humble and soft-spoken, which bolsters his image as an incompetent detective. His demeanor is consistent, whether he's "on the job" or not. Conversely, Haney shifts between personas. He can play the naive country salesman one moment and then reveal a sharper, more cunning side when he feels it's to his advantage.
In essence, both characters masterfully use the strategy of appearing less competent than they are, but they do so for different reasons and with different ethical implications.